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8 years ago
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teeowe


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Any idea how to tab triplets, rolls, grace notes and trills? Thanks - TO
 
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8 years ago
Re: Triplets, rolls, grace notes and trills
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Hi teeowe,

I haven't seen a standard way of doing any of the things you mention (yet)
But... if someone comes up with something we'd be happy to include it on the "how to read tabs" page, and even build it into the tab midi player.

One question though, what do you mean by "rolls"?

 
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8 years ago
Re: Triplets, rolls, grace notes and trills
teeowe


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Maybe it has different "official" name, but I mean where you roll up (or down) a chord very quickly, almost arpeggio style but much faster and typical hold the chord for a beat or two. On sheet music I have seen it shown as a vertical squiggly line in front of the chord.

Oh and add Tremolo to that list as well. =p

 
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8 years ago
Re: Triplets, rolls, grace notes and trills
teeowe


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okay ideas TUPLETS
on triplets for half notes, taking up whole bar:
R3|F3>>>e>>>>d>>>>> -- the number '3' shows start of the tuplet
on triplets for quarter notes, taking up half bar:
R3|F3>e>d>>
on triplets for eight notes, taking up quarter bar (one beat):
R3|F3ed
using trailing numbers on first note would allow a septuplet thusly:
R3|F7e>d>e>d>e>d>
Symbol count across the whole time of the tuplet gives timing;
with final pitched note always in last half of span

ROLLS (Arpeggiated Chords)
R4|A^>>>>>>Av>>>>>>
R4|g^>>>>>>gv>>>>>>
R4|D^>>>>>>Dv>>>>>>
The above notation show the E-flat chord rolled up, then rolled down
over a half note / measure each.
These notes should be 64th notes,
with the first chord starting on D#

GRACE NOTES:
use slashes \ and / to show grace notes leading down or leading up
R5|d\c>e\d> will sound a lot like R5|c>>>d>>> except the first fragment
has the two leading 32nd notes; the rest of the quarter note is sustained
using the lower note.

TRILLS
these are sort of like guitar hammer/pulls
A standard trill would alternate between two neighboring notes:
R4|gtF>
indicates quickly sounding the g and F alternating quickly for 4 cycles,
i.e., 8 total 32nd notes

TREMOLO
Rapid (64th?) alternation between two notes or chords
R5|-=c>
R4|b=--
Use the equal sign to indicate tremolo


Let me know what you think or if you have questions

Thanks - TO


 
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3 years ago
Re: Triplets, rolls, grace notes and trills
teeowe


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Observation / Idea on out of meter notes and articulation

The tab MIDI player already supports one example of inline, metered articulation: the period to represent staccato. My ideas above are made to work much in the same manner, taking up one of the 4, 8, 16, or 32 character positions between bar-lines.

This notation however must maintain a balance between readability by the human eye and precision by the MIDI player. One issue with traditional music notation (TMN) is that I find myself turning pages, too often. This would be much worse but for the fact of use of tuplet notation. TMN uses vertical real estate to denote tuplets.

In tab notation however there is only the line and the symbols on each one. Perhaps it makes sense to introduce a symbol set that is a-metric? One symbol of horizontal space would be used and ignored metrically, but could be used to denote articulation and local changes in meter. we would add 3, 7, and n (a placeholder that is not a rest ("-").

It would take a long time to write out examples to fully explain this idea. If interested, please Email for a more complete discussion.

 
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3 years ago
Re: Triplets, rolls, grace notes and trills
BA


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Thanks for the ideas and for sticking with us all these years!

One of the things I'm currently working on is the ability to change tempo mid song. While it doesn't directly reproduce the traditional music notation symbol effects, a "tempo change" command could be used to more easily simulate some of things you mentioned.

I did look fairly recently into using the slash character to simulate a guitar slide in midi (eg: 5\6 to indicate sliding from the note on the 5th fret to the 6th) but determined that the midi file format is simply too limited to be able to reproduce that effect (at least easily). Granted that's not the same as using slash to indicate a grace note, but the slash is common nomenclature in the guitar tab world so it probably makes sense to stick with it, plus who doesn't love the sound of notes bending?

I still plan on diving more deeply into all your ideas, what is really needed to speed things up are some example midi files I can use to reverse engineer.

 
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